DOCUMENT EXPERT MR. PAUL IREY - An ObamaFake Exclusive Interview

Mr. Irey is currently preparing to meet Dr. Orly Taitz and document specialist Doug Vogt in Hawaii in one week on August 8, 2011, at Orly Taitz's request  to be part of the team scheduled to examine Obama's long form birth certificate at the Hawaii Department of Health.

Paul Irey is a retired pioneer in professional photo typography with 50 years experience. Mr. Irey’s expertise goes back to 1967 when he started Bergan Graphics in Fort Lee, N.J.  At one point Bergan Graphics had 60 employees working ‘round-the-clock, so Mr. Irey is no small player in his business. Eventually the company even had a satellite office in the pricey real estate of 6th Avenue and 31^st street in Manhattan,  NYC,  handling high-end clients that included Montgomery Ward and Acme Markets.  Thank you for agreeing to this interview, Mr. Irey.

You're welcome, Sir.

To keep it basic for the non-graphics people out there, the “Reader’s Digest” version of Mr. Irey’s analysis comes down to this: the “typewritten” specifics – name, date, etc - on the otherwise generic birth certificate form, supposedly created by a single typewriter, contain vastly different type characters which cannot be explained by mere sloppy ink distribution and the alignment of the mechanical keys. Supposedly same-font, same-character letters are different shapes from one another, an impossibility for a single typewriter, and Mr. Irey has identified several examples of this manifestation on Obama’s supposed birth certificate. For example, different lower case “a’’s don’t match in shape at all, essentially proving a cut-and-paste forgery. Is that a reasonable Reader’s Digest encapsulation of your analysis, Mr. Irey?

Yes it is.   Originally I referred to more examples of different letters.  Then decided to reduce the number to the 12 most obvious two letter comparisons just for simplicity.   I had typed for the Air Force during the years 1955 - 1958 as a clerk and was very familiar with the older mechanical typewriters of the era. Neat precise work was expected and I learned to deal with all kinds of problems that can occur when typing.  Later in my own business as a typographer I worked with every possible way of producing type and fully understood my trade which is why so many retail companies gave me work. One thing a typographer always knows is when something is wrong and does not look right with letters on paper.  I was familiar with all sorts of things that occur when a page is reproduced by photostats ... enlargements ... scanners ... cameras .... copiers ... etc.  Then for the past 32 years since the beginning of desktop computers I was working with those systems beginning with the TSR-80 ... then IBM .... then Macs. I have 25 years experience with Apple Macintosh systems alone.  So the possibility that the forgery had help from a computer was obvious to me.

  
Have I left anything out in a general description of your analysis?

No ... and I think I covered the rest of it.  

How and why do you think this happened?

It really happened because the strategy of claiming privacy rights to a birth certificate failed when it became generally known to the public that the short form released in 2008 was not the original birth certificate.  That was solidly reinforced when Donald Trump began to make public statements.  So we can guess that a forgery was quickly created to satisfy the demand to see the long form certificate.  The burden of actually creating it probably fell to a younger person that knew computers pretty well but did not understand that typewriter type comes in different styles and sizes.  This person apparently worked in or through someone at the Hawaiian dept. of health.   This was important because he would need documents from the era to find pieces and type to assemble for his creation.  I think he realized that when scanning letters ... he could never use the same scan of a letter more than once because every time a letter is scanned the scanner engages the letter in a unique way.   So for example if the forger scanned a lower case "t" and used that scan all over his document ... a forensic examiner could see that exact sameness ... viewing the original print under a microscope.  By original print ... I mean the print out on a computer printer from the forger's file.  This print would have been placed face down on the Xerox copier to copy and then stamp and send to the White House.  Why we would still see the curve of the form into the binder is because a scan would have been made from a Xerox of an existing certificate.   Then all the old text was removed and replaced with new text.   I believe that using old documents of the era in order to get the exact typed letters that needed to be matched ... tripped the forger up.  The forger apparently did not realize that all the documents in the files were not typed on one typewriter.  The hospitals typed the forms up ... they were signed and sent to the dept. of health.  Different typewriters had to have been used.  The forger did not blow up the letters to inspect them.   

You are set to travel to Hawaii to meet with Orly Taitz and Doug Vogt to – in theory - view the original long form birth certificate at the department of health on August 8, in a little less than a week. How have you prepared for this examination, if that isn’t getting into the secrets of the process?

It would expose too much to reveal everything that Doug and I are bringing with us.  I don't want to prepare them for this aspect of our examination ... except to say that we will bring everything necessary to  inspect the document.   

You were nice enough to respond on the ObamaFake comments area when Dr. Corsi e-mailed you a link to the story regarding my concern about the investigation group for August 8 not having a laboratory-trained examiner who could, either on-site or by collecting a scraping, determine the age of the document forensically. Could you repeat your response here in greater depth?

Certainly.  When I realized that I was the first one to see differences in the typewritten letters on this very public release of a birth certificate ... the most public release ever ... I should say ... I was a little angry because I know that there are thousands of more qualified experts in this country to make the same determination that I had made.  Someone ... just because it was their profession ... should have looked at it and found what I had found.  To me it was obvious.  It must have been to them also.  So while I was puzzling over that ... I got a call from this reality radio guy who basically lied about everthing to get me on his show and when I called in to be on the show ... I learned that a forensic document examiner was on just before I called and was still there.  Great I thought ... finally someone to bounce this evidence off of and get his opinion.  But this gentleman voiced no opinion one way or the other.  The others wanted him to ... but he had nothing to offer in the way of right or wrong.  I was on my own.  Later I found him and saw that he was a leader of an association of forensic examiners.  I e-mailed him ... sending him my evidence and asked for an up or down opinion.  Of course he would not give it.  Later because I e-mailed him a few generic BCC e-mails ... he asked to be removed from my contacts list.  Then you already know about the document examiner in Michigan.  His secretary claimed that they had government contracts and could not touch the matter.  I surmised that the forgery of a presidents birth certificate was a hot button issue for anyone in the business and no doubt many had examined it just to satisfy their own curiosity.  Apparently any patriotic issues are over-ridden by financial and prestige concerns.  Also it is not beyond imagination to think that perhaps the whole industry was advised to stay away from this document for perhaps that well known government ploy ... "In the interests of national security".

Is it possible for you, yourself, to collect some some sampling off the document to present to a forensics lab technician at a later date?

I think that first of all ... the chances of actually seeing it are less that 20%.  If we do see it ... the chances of it suddenly looking genuine and needing this kind of test are less than 10%.  Some will call that bias.  Good.  Obama has overwhelmed most of us with the sense that he is hiding something.  Just as the media has overwhelmed us all with the sense that they are protecting him.  There were so many legal challenges to Obamas eligibility that were all struck down by judges.  In every case the judges made the determination that the case could not be heard because the challenger did not have the proper "standing" to make the challenge.  OK ... judges decision and no evidence was heard.  But when the media finally covered each case ... only after it had been dismissed ... the press always ran the same headline ... "Proof Obama Born in Hawaii ... Judge Throws out Case."  Then the media aggressively attacked the "Birthers" as tinfoil hat conspiracy theorists.  Who among us can say that the media is not biased?  The media and their reporting have given me bias against them and against Obama.  In other words too many lies make me suspicious.  Is that bias or just suspicion? 


In a private communication, you mentioned that one forensics expert in Michigan who was recommended by Cdr Kerchner had his secretary answer ... declaring openly that he had government contracts and that is why he could not "touch the matter".  Where there any other similar responses?

No ... I was too busy to go out shopping for that honest patriotic certified forensic document examiner that should have reared his head as I did.  Since not one has done so yet ... I am suspicious of them all ... and that's why I will advise Orly Taitz to get a British examiner ... if we really need one because we see a perfect document in Hawaii that somehow does not show us a white outline around all the letters ... (don't tell me that happened because of the Xerox copy).  Then all the letters not only have to suddenly match each other but match the old document as well.  A sort of a cross between good and evil.  Then there are other things that I should not mention that go beyond that and I know they can never accomplish.  So in the final analysis ... I honestly believe that we can never see the Obama long form birth certificate ... mainly because it never existed and never will exist.

It would be easier for Obama to just resign ... giving us some other reason and just walk off the stage ... take the "Nixon" wave off on the departing helicopter ... and go to Kenya to run that country where they would gladly take him.  There will be no birthers down there.  Everyone in Kenya seems to think that's were he was born to a Kenyan father ... so eligibility is not an issue.

And leave us to deal with a fraudulent media and an over-powerful federal government that seems to control it.  I happen to personally know an ex NY Times reporter.  Half in jest ... I ask this reporter a few days ago ... "Why don't you ask the new editor of the New York Times to send you along with us to cover our story of the examination of the birth certificate in Honolulu?   The answer was .... "They have never gone near the subject, not even remotely." and of course I knew that and did not expect the paper with the motto ...."All the news that's fit to print." to go near our story either.  Very few Americans really know the gravity and seriousness of our situation ... that involves a lot more than a forged birth certificate. 

 So in other words, for them, career trumps the single assignment.

Yes.  

Is it possible to contact a retired forensics expert who might still have access to the resources to do the job but doesn’t need to worry about career objectives with the government?

Sure ... it's possible.  But if he can still work ... he can still get a government contract.  

ObamaFake is a pro-activist site, not just a report-and-comment blog. If people were able to suggest possible – even retired – forensics experts on the comments section of this story, would you be open to receiving the information and having someone in your group discuss with them the prospect of accompanying you on August 8?

I am 73 years old and really don't consider myself retired.  If a retail store ask me ... I would still do their work. Physically the work is not hard.  I move a mouse now and everything happens.  So I don't think a forensic examiner could retire either and if he is still able to examine Obama's birth certificate ... he is still able to do any of the work they do ... including government work. 


Is there any doubt in your mind at all that the Obama long form birth certificate posted on the White House website is a forgery?

Obviously no doubt in my mind.  

Someone mentioned that the court may not be entirely receptive to your conclusions because you have tipped your hand politically with your public opinions. What is your response to that?

I hardly know anyone these days without an opinion.  Was supreme court justice Clarence Thomas voicing an opinion when he said ... "We are evading that one" ... referring to the Obama eligibility issue.  My opinions were forced on me by solid information laid at my feet.  I have no choice but to follow my intelligent reasoning and struggle to inform a sleeping America with a few warnings.  So as you have seen in this interview ... I do not hold my tongue.  If there were no problems in America ... I would have little to say.  

As we discussed, I discovered that some events have been cancelled at the beginning of the week of August 8 around that date by the Hawaii Department of Health. My concern is that that fact may be indicative that Ms. Fuddy plans to not be around the offices then, hence the cancellations of other events. Your feelings on that?

I think she knows that she is (the focus of attention) over there.  They did not expect to ever need to show this non-existent document.  Someone has to answer for that.  The director of the department of health ... Loretta Fuddy is at the top of the list.  I would leave the island also if I were in her shoes.    

What, if anything, do you expect to happen on August 8? 

Well that is a mystery because they must not have come up with a good reason not to provide the document and now hope that since they said no before ... Orly would not make the trip.  But as I understand it no motions were made by them to the court.  If we don't go ... they can say it's not their fault ... they were ready.  Probably something will put a hold on it this coming week since Orly did send them a Fedex message that we definitely were going to make the appointment.  Internet news travels fast.  Major media news on this is frozen ... but by now they do realize that we intend to come and the bluff did not work.  So I think they must make some kind of move to prevent that.  

Mr. Irey, you are a brave, honorable and patriotic man to put yourself personally on the line in this fight to get to the bottom of a muddied and generally obscured and hidden truth. The word hero applies to you at the pinnacle of the definition, and that is no hyperbole. Thank you for your service and please let us know what happens in Hawaii. Our gratitude again for taking the time for this interview.

Thank you sir ... it was my pleasure to answer your questions.

For a highly technical but outstanding in-depth covering of Mr. Irey's analysis of the Obama birth certificate in detail, go to Dr. Jerome Corsi's excellent article at World Net Daily HERE

While Mr. Irey has not asked for outside help with procuring an additional examiner, and while entirely respecting his view, as an abstract experiment, OBAMAFAKE is a pro-activist site on the "birther" issue, and so asks all readers to  contact a forensics document expert who may be willing to help, and leave the information here, because you never know! 

We thank Mr. Irey once again for his gracious time in answering our questions for you.